Pick Llama 4 Scout for largest advertised context (10m) or open weights, single-gpu friendly. Pick Qwen3 235B A22B for deep world knowledge from 235b total parameters (83.0 mmlu-pro, 93.1 mmlu-redux) or exceptional multilingual and alignment results (79.2 arena-hard v2, 85.2 writingbench).
Llama 4 Scout (Meta, US) and Qwen3 235B A22B (Alibaba, China) line up two different AI ecosystems against each other — a comparison that is as much about cost philosophy and openness as raw capability. Llama 4 Scout is the 10M-token open-weight giant — enormous on paper, but usable recall is far smaller. Qwen3 235B A22B is an older 235B text-only open mixture-of-experts with broad knowledge and strong writing — but no vision, no thinking mode, and weak coding. Their biggest split is context window, and the breakdown below shows exactly how that plays out for your workload.
Key differences
Context window: Llama 4 Scout holds 38× more — 10M (~15,000 pages) vs 256K (~393 pages). But effective recall usually fades long before the advertised ceiling, so the bigger number only helps if the model reasons over it.
Recency: Qwen3 235B A22B is the newer model by about 4 months (released July 21, 2025), usually meaning fresher training data and capabilities.
Ecosystem: this is a US-vs-China matchup — they differ in pricing philosophy, data-residency options, and tooling ecosystems, not only benchmarks.
Specifications
Spec
Llama 4 Scout
Qwen3 235B A22B
Provider
Meta (US)
Alibaba (China)
Released
April 2025
July 21, 2025
Context window
10M (~15,000 pages)
256K (~393 pages)
Price (in/out)
Open weight (self-host / free)
Open weight (self-host / free)
Open weight?
Yes — self-hostable
Yes — self-hostable
Modalities
text, image, code
text, code
SWE-Bench Verified
Not published
Not published
MRCR v2 @ 1M
15%
Not published
Who wins what
Largest advertised context (10M): Llama 4 Scout — Its 10M window holds about 38× more than Qwen3 235B A22B's 256K in a single prompt.
Open weights, single-GPU friendly: Llama 4 Scout — Qwen3 235B A22B is comparatively weak here — its 235B weights need roughly 438GB in BF16, far beyond consumer hardware
Self-hosted, data-private deployment: Llama 4 Scout — The 10M-token open-weight giant — enormous on paper, but usable recall is far smaller — and it carries the larger 10M context.
Deep world knowledge from 235B total parameters (83.0 MMLU-Pro, 93.1 MMLU-Redux): Qwen3 235B A22B — An older 235B text-only open mixture-of-experts with broad knowledge and strong writing — but no vision, no thinking mode, and weak coding — and it is the newer of the two.
Exceptional multilingual and alignment results (79.2 Arena-Hard v2, 85.2 WritingBench): Qwen3 235B A22B — Qwen3 235B A22B lists exceptional multilingual and alignment results (79.2 Arena-Hard v2, 85.2 WritingBench) among its strengths; Llama 4 Scout does not.
Outstanding structured logic — 95.0 on ZebraLogic: Qwen3 235B A22B — Qwen3 235B A22B lists outstanding structured logic — 95.0 on ZebraLogic among its strengths; Llama 4 Scout does not.
Largest single-prompt input: Llama 4 Scout — Its 10M window is about 38× larger than Qwen3 235B A22B's 256K, fitting roughly 15,000 pages in one prompt.
Which should you pick?
Someone analysing very long documents or codebases: Llama 4 Scout — Larger 10M window fits more in one prompt.
Anyone whose priority is largest advertised context (10m): Llama 4 Scout — It is specifically built for that.
Anyone whose priority is deep world knowledge from 235b total parameters (83.0 mmlu-pro, 93.1 mmlu-redux): Qwen3 235B A22B — That is its strongest area.
An enterprise with regional data-residency rules: Llama 4 Scout or Qwen3 235B A22B — Origin (US vs China) affects where data is processed and which compliance regime applies — check the provider's terms for your region.
Llama 4 Scout: where it fits
The 10M-token open-weight giant — enormous on paper, but usable recall is far smaller. Released April 2025 by Meta, it is built for largest advertised context (10M), open weights, single-GPU friendly, self-hosted, data-private deployment, and retrieval over very long inputs.
Its trade-offs are real: effective recall degrades far below 10M, and ~15% on long-context multi-needle reasoning. As an open-weight model, its running cost is your own hardware rather than a per-token fee.
Qwen3 235B A22B: where it fits
An older 235B text-only open mixture-of-experts with broad knowledge and strong writing — but no vision, no thinking mode, and weak coding. Released July 21, 2025 by Alibaba, it is built for deep world knowledge from 235B total parameters (83.0 MMLU-Pro, 93.1 MMLU-Redux), exceptional multilingual and alignment results (79.2 Arena-Hard v2, 85.2 WritingBench), outstanding structured logic — 95.0 on ZebraLogic, and no thinking mode, which makes latency and token spend entirely predictable.
Its trade-offs: nearly a year old and superseded — Artificial Analysis now steers users to Qwen3.5-397B instead, text-only with no vision, and the absence of a thinking mode caps its hardest reasoning, coding is weak by 2026 standards, and it publishes no SWE-Bench score to compare on, and its 235B weights need roughly 438GB in BF16, far beyond consumer hardware. As an open-weight model, its running cost is your own hardware rather than a per-token fee.
The bottom line for this matchup
This is less "which is smarter" and more "which ecosystem fits." Llama 4 Scout (US) and Qwen3 235B A22B (China) differ on pricing philosophy, data-residency, and tooling as much as on raw scores. The pragmatic move is to run one real task through both and judge the outputs against your own constraints — including where your data is allowed to be processed.
Frequently asked questions
Is Llama 4 Scout or Qwen3 235B A22B better for coding?
Public SWE-Bench figures are not available for either model, so the honest test is your own repository — run an identical real bug through both. By design, Llama 4 Scout leans toward largest advertised context (10m) while Qwen3 235B A22B leans toward deep world knowledge from 235b total parameters (83.0 mmlu-pro, 93.1 mmlu-redux), and that positioning usually predicts which feels better on your codebase.
Which is cheaper, Llama 4 Scout or Qwen3 235B A22B?
They are priced almost identically, so cost will not decide between them.
Which has the bigger context window?
Llama 4 Scout — 10M vs 256K, about 38× larger. Useful only if the model actually reasons over the full window, which not all do.
Can I use both Llama 4 Scout and Qwen3 235B A22B together?
Yes — a multi-model platform like LumiChats gives you Llama 4 Scout, Qwen3 235B A22B and 40+ others under one ₹69/day pass (about $1/day), so you can draft with one and cross-check with the other instead of buying two subscriptions.
Which is newer, Llama 4 Scout or Qwen3 235B A22B?
Qwen3 235B A22B — released July 21, 2025, about 4 months after Llama 4 Scout.
Llama 4 Scout vs Qwen3 235B A22B
Meta · US | Alibaba · China · Updated June 2026
Quick verdict
Pick Llama 4 Scout for largest advertised context (10m) or open weights, single-gpu friendly. Pick Qwen3 235B A22B for deep world knowledge from 235b total parameters (83.0 mmlu-pro, 93.1 mmlu-redux) or exceptional multilingual and alignment results (79.2 arena-hard v2, 85.2 writingbench).
Llama 4 Scout (Meta, US) and Qwen3 235B A22B (Alibaba, China) line up two different AI ecosystems against each other — a comparison that is as much about cost philosophy and openness as raw capability. Llama 4 Scout is the 10M-token open-weight giant — enormous on paper, but usable recall is far smaller. Qwen3 235B A22B is an older 235B text-only open mixture-of-experts with broad knowledge and strong writing — but no vision, no thinking mode, and weak coding. Their biggest split is context window, and the breakdown below shows exactly how that plays out for your workload.
Key differences at a glance
▸Context window: Llama 4 Scout holds 38× more — 10M (~15,000 pages) vs 256K (~393 pages). But effective recall usually fades long before the advertised ceiling, so the bigger number only helps if the model reasons over it.
▸Recency: Qwen3 235B A22B is the newer model by about 4 months (released July 21, 2025), usually meaning fresher training data and capabilities.
▸Ecosystem: this is a US-vs-China matchup — they differ in pricing philosophy, data-residency options, and tooling ecosystems, not only benchmarks.
Side-by-side specs
Spec
Llama 4 Scout
Qwen3 235B A22B
Provider
Meta (US)
Alibaba (China)
Released
April 2025
July 21, 2025
Context window
10M (~15,000 pages)
256K (~393 pages)
Price (in/out)
Open weight (self-host / free)
Open weight (self-host / free)
Open weight?
Yes — self-hostable
Yes — self-hostable
Modalities
text, image, code
text, code
SWE-Bench Verified
Not published
Not published
MRCR v2 @ 1M
15%
Not published
Who wins what
Largest advertised context (10M)
Llama 4 Scout
Its 10M window holds about 38× more than Qwen3 235B A22B's 256K in a single prompt.
Open weights, single-GPU friendly
Llama 4 Scout
Qwen3 235B A22B is comparatively weak here — its 235B weights need roughly 438GB in BF16, far beyond consumer hardware
Self-hosted, data-private deployment
Llama 4 Scout
The 10M-token open-weight giant — enormous on paper, but usable recall is far smaller — and it carries the larger 10M context.
Deep world knowledge from 235B total parameters (83.0 MMLU-Pro, 93.1 MMLU-Redux)
Qwen3 235B A22B
An older 235B text-only open mixture-of-experts with broad knowledge and strong writing — but no vision, no thinking mode, and weak coding — and it is the newer of the two.
Exceptional multilingual and alignment results (79.2 Arena-Hard v2, 85.2 WritingBench)
Qwen3 235B A22B
Qwen3 235B A22B lists exceptional multilingual and alignment results (79.2 Arena-Hard v2, 85.2 WritingBench) among its strengths; Llama 4 Scout does not.
Outstanding structured logic — 95.0 on ZebraLogic
Qwen3 235B A22B
Qwen3 235B A22B lists outstanding structured logic — 95.0 on ZebraLogic among its strengths; Llama 4 Scout does not.
Largest single-prompt input
Llama 4 Scout
Its 10M window is about 38× larger than Qwen3 235B A22B's 256K, fitting roughly 15,000 pages in one prompt.
Which should you pick?
Someone analysing very long documents or codebases
→ Llama 4 Scout
Larger 10M window fits more in one prompt.
Anyone whose priority is largest advertised context (10m)
→ Llama 4 Scout
It is specifically built for that.
Anyone whose priority is deep world knowledge from 235b total parameters (83.0 mmlu-pro, 93.1 mmlu-redux)
→ Qwen3 235B A22B
That is its strongest area.
An enterprise with regional data-residency rules
→ Llama 4 Scout or Qwen3 235B A22B
Origin (US vs China) affects where data is processed and which compliance regime applies — check the provider's terms for your region.
Llama 4 Scout: where it fits
The 10M-token open-weight giant — enormous on paper, but usable recall is far smaller. Released April 2025 by Meta, it is built for largest advertised context (10M), open weights, single-GPU friendly, self-hosted, data-private deployment, and retrieval over very long inputs.
Its trade-offs are real: effective recall degrades far below 10M, and ~15% on long-context multi-needle reasoning. As an open-weight model, its running cost is your own hardware rather than a per-token fee.
Qwen3 235B A22B: where it fits
An older 235B text-only open mixture-of-experts with broad knowledge and strong writing — but no vision, no thinking mode, and weak coding. Released July 21, 2025 by Alibaba, it is built for deep world knowledge from 235B total parameters (83.0 MMLU-Pro, 93.1 MMLU-Redux), exceptional multilingual and alignment results (79.2 Arena-Hard v2, 85.2 WritingBench), outstanding structured logic — 95.0 on ZebraLogic, and no thinking mode, which makes latency and token spend entirely predictable.
Its trade-offs: nearly a year old and superseded — Artificial Analysis now steers users to Qwen3.5-397B instead, text-only with no vision, and the absence of a thinking mode caps its hardest reasoning, coding is weak by 2026 standards, and it publishes no SWE-Bench score to compare on, and its 235B weights need roughly 438GB in BF16, far beyond consumer hardware. As an open-weight model, its running cost is your own hardware rather than a per-token fee.
The bottom line for this matchup
This is less "which is smarter" and more "which ecosystem fits." Llama 4 Scout (US) and Qwen3 235B A22B (China) differ on pricing philosophy, data-residency, and tooling as much as on raw scores. The pragmatic move is to run one real task through both and judge the outputs against your own constraints — including where your data is allowed to be processed.
Want both Llama 4 Scout and Qwen3 235B A22B without two subscriptions? LumiChats gives you these plus 40+ models under one ₹69/day pass (about $1/day) — draft with one, cross-check with the other.
Is Llama 4 Scout or Qwen3 235B A22B better for coding?
Public SWE-Bench figures are not available for either model, so the honest test is your own repository — run an identical real bug through both. By design, Llama 4 Scout leans toward largest advertised context (10m) while Qwen3 235B A22B leans toward deep world knowledge from 235b total parameters (83.0 mmlu-pro, 93.1 mmlu-redux), and that positioning usually predicts which feels better on your codebase.
Which is cheaper, Llama 4 Scout or Qwen3 235B A22B?
They are priced almost identically, so cost will not decide between them.
Which has the bigger context window?
Llama 4 Scout — 10M vs 256K, about 38× larger. Useful only if the model actually reasons over the full window, which not all do.
Can I use both Llama 4 Scout and Qwen3 235B A22B together?
Yes — a multi-model platform like LumiChats gives you Llama 4 Scout, Qwen3 235B A22B and 40+ others under one ₹69/day pass (about $1/day), so you can draft with one and cross-check with the other instead of buying two subscriptions.
Which is newer, Llama 4 Scout or Qwen3 235B A22B?
Qwen3 235B A22B — released July 21, 2025, about 4 months after Llama 4 Scout.
Specifications and benchmarks reflect publicly reported figures as of June 2026 and may change as providers release updates. Always verify on your own workload.